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Sundara Manmatha Koti Prakaasha,Hare Sri Krishna
When i am about to die, the only forms that should appear b4 me should be that of the Lord (Krishna) with the beautiful flute kept on his lips , with the peacock plumes slantingly placed on his head and with the body as blue as bluestone
Swami Desikan in GopAla Vimshathi

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Sunday, August 21, 2005

Yaar andha Mahaa Moodan? ( Who is that dumb fool?)

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Digressing from my usual musico/philo stuff for a difference , Here am gonna give a shot at some mundane Tamil poetry 2 express my views on something that got me 2 feel bad...Also, be pre-warned that u can expect some out of the world stuff..;) u know wat i mean , rite??

Note : Please bear my Tamizh..:)

Tஹுன்பம், ஆவனுக்கு பிடிக்கத வார்தை
Vஎருதான் அன்ட்ரு, அவனை துன்புருதிய னன்பனை
Vஅளர்ன்தான், அவன் தன்னை முதிர்சி அடைன்தவன் என்ட்ரு பெருமையுடன் கூரினான்
ஆதர்கெர்ப, நன்பன் Tஹுன்புட்ர பொளுது , அவனுடய உதவும் கரன்களாஇ கொடுதான்
Sஅட்டம் பயின்ட்ரு Vஅக்Kஈல் ஆனான்,
Kஒலை Sஎஇத Mஊடனுக்கு தன்டனை Vஅழன்கினான்
ஆனால் ஆவனொ ஆயிரம் Kஒலைகளுக்கு உடன்தை
ஈன்த Mஅஹா Mஊடனை Y ஆர் Dஹன்டிபாது???


Thunbam, Avanukku pidikkadha vaarthai
Veruthaan andru, avanai thunburuthiya nanbanai
VaLarndhaan, avan thannai mudhirchi adaindhavan endru perumaiyudan koorinaan
Adharkerpa, Nanban Thunbutra poLudhu , avanudaya udhavum karangaLAi koduthaan
Sattam payindru VakKeel Aanaan,
Kolai Seidha Moodanukku dhandanai Vazhanginaan
Anaal Avano Aayiram KolaigaLukku udanthai
Indha Mahaa Moodanai Yaar Dhandipaadhu???


Distress, He hates the most
He was a young kid, he hated his troubling friend
He grew, He claimed him as a mature dude
Accoringly , He helped his friend in distress
He studied Law and became a lawer
He punished the murderer
But he was actually helping one thousand murders
Who is gonna punish this greatest dumb fool???

Guess u arent wondering who is that greatest fool : )

Anyways, Let me seriously ask all those meat eaters . How do u feel when u lose someone u like/respect ??? U know that all animals have lives and they also communicate in their own ways, share emotions etc
If u are aware of this and still continue to eat meat , arent u the worst of the criminals?

Also , I am sadenned by the increasing no of meat eating folks (in particular, lots of Brahmins) in the US and other videsi countries , without even giving a slightest bit of rational thinking , . The following are some of the common resposes that I get when i ask some one about this eating habit

1 Veggie is 4 the guy who has no taste buds ( dude, then u are the guy that has no brainz)
2. I don't get anything veggie 2 eat ( as if he is living in antartica)
3. I wanna look like Arnold Schwarzenegger/ Brad Pitt/ Tom Cruise or watever and veggie's not gonna get me any closer 2 this life ambition. ( I appreciate ur ambition but wud u kill a fellow human just because his life is gonna bring u fortune/fame..If so, abscond,. Am gonna buzz the cops)

Like this , I get all kinds of totally subhuman answers from guys that do M.S/PhD ? Wat use do u think their erudition will be if they can't simply be HUMAN ??


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Comments on "Yaar andha Mahaa Moodan? ( Who is that dumb fool?)"


Blogger Kasthuri Srinivasan said ... (12:17 PM) : 

I once wanted to write a post on this but with a different perspective. I think there is a subtle aspect in being a vegetarian. Brahmins ought to be vegetarian because he should see God in every being and not because the animals are poor creatures and undergo pain. Pain is universal and not restricted to animals alone. Sure, animals cannot voice their opinion to us and we can feel its emotions-but what can we do ? In my humble opinion eating for pleasure is no different from eating meat. I am not defending non-vegetarians but my point is that if we direct our energies to him, then even the act of eating, leave alone meat eating, will be just an act of sufficiency than necessity. As Anand says it will be an yagna than being "merry eating". Eating for maintaining the body should be the mantra.


Blogger krishna said ... (12:29 PM) : 

kasthuri,uve made an excellent's not just about eating meat, but its about "Eating for maintaining the body" (not for enjoyment)

Further, If it is blessed and offered to the Lord, then it becomes especially powerful and spiritualized.


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (12:40 PM) : 

Krishna - just gave you another call and went to the answer machine :)..

See Krishna - again it comes to what you are used to!! In my case I was used to eating meat from birth - so whose fault is this? Is it mine or my mother's? You cant find a fault since meat eating has been there for a long time..My mother's mum was a pure veggie, but her father was a non veggie..

But in the case of brahmins - the case is have been brought up from childhood on veggie food..

Its a habit that cannot be left so easily..It takes time and to be very frank you cant find fault in people who eat meat..there are so many devoted souls who eat meat as well :)..

Kannapan was a great devotee of Shiva..and he once offered meat to the Linga!! And Lord Shiva accepted it! :)


Blogger Kasthuri Srinivasan said ... (12:41 PM) : 

Yes that's true Krishna, if we make every act holistic, then rajas and tamas automatically subsides and no longer the person would want to eat meat cause the saatwa element predominates. Summava sonnanga periyavanga...


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (12:42 PM) : 

Another example - Jayalalitha is a pure veggie - and see what she is doing? Does she have satwa Gunas? ;)


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (12:43 PM) : 

Another funny thing is - whenever I eat non veg food , I become more spiritual in my thoughts - whereas whenever I eat pure veggie food - I start looking at all the pretty looking gujjus around me ;) - Maybe high garlic content :))


Blogger Kasthuri Srinivasan said ... (12:59 PM) : 

It is not necessary that a pure veggie will have predominating saatwa guna (as Jayalalitha example shows), vege stuffs enhances the saatwa and helps in spritual progress. Vegie stuufs are just a material cause and not the efficient cause in spirituality.


Blogger krishna said ... (1:06 PM) : 

@ srini

Athunaala thaan ava ellam periyavaa..:)

@ arjuna

Sorry ,Am yet 2 recieve my charger..Kindly bear with me..:)

I agree that it is tuf to give up any deepened habit but u can always get over it..and i know that u have the intentions

may i ask u ..Do u want 2 believe the ancient knowledge or modern fallacies??

In the case of Kannapan, Can u tell if he was aware that he was actually doing something wrong when he was hunting meat ?. He was a simple rustic devotee of Lord Shiva

Also, may i ask if u wud do the same thing as kannapan did when he saw one of the eyes of the lingam missing if u were kannapan or claim to be the devotee of the Lord?? or wud u donate ur eyes when u find a poor boy who has lost one/both of his eyes and has no one else to donate him ?;)


Blogger Anand Ramamoorthy said ... (10:18 PM) : 


you are doing a wonderful job on your blog by promoting divine carnatic music, Krishna Bhakti and vegetarianism. there is a text in tamil by the most perspicacious SRI VEDANTHA DESIKA called " AHARANIYAMA" this text tells you what veggie food to have and what to avoid. besides the attitude of sense control is very important. that is why the first morsel of rice with ghee is offered (after pariseshanam) as praanaahoothi. besides before eating we are asked to remember GOVINDA as this makes it a vaishvaanara yagna having the support of GITA.15th chapter.
nice post. I follow the AHARANIYAMA mostly..I really felt a wonderful change when I gave up onions, garlic potatoes and the like as per this text. please check it out. SAATVIKA temperament is indeed important to all not just Brahmins.
krishna You are invited to SRIKRISHNAJAYANATHI celebrations on my blog on 26-8-2005


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (1:06 AM) : 

Our Captain has featured in the latest edition of TIMES magazine!! Check my blog! ;)


Blogger TJ said ... (4:52 AM) : 

One of my brahmin friends landed in Florida, went straight into McD, ordered a Tender chicken sandwich [donno the exact name], and in the evening called him home and said, he had to eat non-veg because he dint have a a choice.. :(
And the worst part it, his folks back home spread the news around that in US u will get only non-veg to eat....


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (7:04 AM) : 

Krishna -

"Also, may i ask if u wud do the same thing as kannapan did when he saw one of the eyes of the lingam missing if u were kannapan or claim to be the devotee of the Lord?? or wud u donate ur eyes when u find a poor boy who has lost one/both of his eyes and has no one else to donate him ?;) "

Good question - no answer :)


Blogger Ganesh said ... (8:37 AM) : 

if you are spiritual then at some point of time its better to give up nonveg the yoga and many teachers insist on that.

you dont want to incur some more samskaras ;)


Blogger krishna said ... (2:13 PM) : 

@ anand

Thnks 4 the pointer about "aharaniyama"..

One more question..

Would it suffice if we offer 2 god just b4 eating the first morsel of rice and after that start enjoying the taste of the delicious food?

Reading stuff from ur post on Krishna Jeyanthi will be just like visiting a krishnasthalam like Uduppi or Guruvayur...:)

@ arjuna..

will be on my way 2 ur blog after posting the replies..:)


glad that he din't want 2 go for a hamburger right on his first day..:)..


Since , we are not able 2 be so selfless , y dont we start giving up the desires (like taste) that are the root causes behind the manifestations of our ego in our minds..?? ;)

By giving up the desire 2 eat meat , a man is making a huge leap in the quest towards the Supreme...


very true indeed.


Blogger jcjoshi said ... (9:02 PM) : 

Some brief thoughts on the ensuing Janmashtami the 27th instant…

For over nine years I couldn’t read the Gita, although I had in my possession a copy gifted to me that had both Sanskrit verses and their translation in English. It was during this period that I had been in the Northeast, including Bhutan, during which I had a variety of experience related with pleasant/ unpleasant aspects of ‘material’ and ‘spiritual’ worlds, both, while I got exposure to a large cross section of people and situations…

It was only in ’84, back in New Delhi, when I was over 45 years of age that I read the complete Gita for the first time and felt sorry why I hadn’t read it earlier! I felt it had answers to most of the questions that were pinching me. I also realized that whatever confusion there exists when one reads it purposelessly - as I had attempted earlier - is because the compilation wonderfully attempts addressing the entire human race just in eighteen Chapters, from the most illiterates to the ‘experts’ in different fields!
Thus one needed to independently read it between the lines and reach at the essence based on one’s own experiences.

In my opinion, the problem is that one generally tries only to collect different interpretations the whole life.

One could perhaps gain even from a common observation of a rag picker finding some useful material - that could help appease his ‘physical hunger’ - even in a garbage dump that satisfies similarly the hunger of other animals and birds, and so on too who are apparently unconcerned witht he 'spiritual hunger'!


Blogger Anand Ramamoorthy said ... (11:23 PM) : 

well after offering the food to Govinda you must eat with the understanding that the process of eating and taste perception are due to the dispositions of nature settling on dispositions of nature.
if this is difficult do as the aazhvaars did..
unnum soru, parugum neer, thinnum vettrilai anaitthum KANNAN .
if you relish food after offering it to Govinda it is not wrong as long as you remeber the saying : ANNAM PARABRAHMA SWAROOPAM.
trying to be strict with oneself is as unproductive as indulgence.. leave the control of the senses to HRISHIKESHA and act as you normally do.. he will bring the senses of his devotees under control


Blogger thennavan said ... (5:25 AM) : 

I want to bring one perspective to this veg/non-veg debate. When we eat fruits and vegetables, we are eating something that is alive and has prana in it (since if it is decayed, we would know straightaway and not touch it). It is also a way of knowing that we are eating something that does not have any harmful bacteria in it.

Whereas with meat, we are eating dead flesh where the prana has already left the body and so what is remaining is flesh that would otherwise putrefy if left for long without modern methods of storage. Also the most harmful things like E-coli, salmonalla etc. are to be found only in meat (not to mention the latest scare in bird-flu virus, mad-cow disease etc.) and the eater has no way of knowing what is there in the meat. In the light of these things also, being a vegetarian promotes a balanced, healthy and long life free from most major diseases (if of course moderation is practised even in vegetarianism :-)) which is not the case with a life of eating dead flesh.


Blogger krishna said ... (6:17 PM) : 

"One could perhaps gain even from a common observation of a rag picker finding some useful material - that could help appease his ‘physical hunger’ - even in a garbage dump that satisfies similarly the hunger of other animals and birds, and so on too who are apparently unconcerned witht he 'spiritual hunger'!"

nice finishig touch 2 ur explanation..:)

@ thennavan anna..

Thanks 4 bringing the consequences of eating Non-veg food (in a more contemporary perspective ) to our attention..

Am sure that most of the non-veggies are in fact aware of this...let me take USA 4 example..Obesity is another huge pblm here.Still ppl continue to take beef and all kinds of meat..:(


Blogger cRaY3 said ... (11:14 PM) : 

hi...can u make ur post look aligned in firefox or any gecko browsers!


Blogger krishna said ... (10:35 AM) : 


AFAIK, there is not misalignment in the posts at least in firefox..

can u plz be more specific??


Blogger Dipa said ... (3:19 PM) : 


I believe that my body is a temple, in which my anuraga (divine love) resides for my paramatama - of which I have only a small fragment of - that is my aatma.

I would not bring meat or any carcuss into a temple, so why do the same for my body? After all, carcuss's are either buried in a cemetary or a burnt in a crematorium - neither of which are my body.


Blogger krishna said ... (9:28 PM) : 

"I would not bring meat or any carcuss into a temple, so why do the same for my body?"

nice point there..:)


Blogger Mouli said ... (5:28 PM) : 

I accidentally hit this blog site. Everyone tried to justify their meat eating habits. But according to Veda, meat eating is NOT prohibited. Our Veda very clearly specifies who can eat and who cannot(I am not telling this, I read this from Voice of Divine,by Kanchi Sri Chandrasekarendra swamigal). According to that only Brahmins are outrightly prohibited from eating meat. People who do physical labor or who has a duty of protecting his country like people in the military can eat meat.


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