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Sundara Manmatha Koti Prakaasha,Hare Sri Krishna
When i am about to die, the only forms that should appear b4 me should be that of the Lord (Krishna) with the beautiful flute kept on his lips , with the peacock plumes slantingly placed on his head and with the body as blue as bluestone
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Thursday, August 18, 2005

Divine Music 4 Mundane Love : How Pathetic?

Hi folks..

After a pretty long respite , it feels good to be blogging back again..Hope and wish u guys feel similarly..:)

I have been thinking lately about the usage of Carnatic Music on movies (Tamil)..B4 me spewing out my thots, please do give a thot or two

Ok, Let me try and voice out my thougts with an example from the movie "Anniyan" ..The song "Aiyangaaru Veetu Azhage" will be the song under focus.. The song is very classical in nature , starting with a few lines from one of the beautiful Pancharatna Krithis..Here is a rough translation of the first few lines

The creator of happiness throughout the world ! The beloved of Sita ! Victory be yours !
anupallavi : The inheritor of Suryavamsa ! King of Kings ! You are worshipped by the Devas ! You bestow good things !

Now, the krithi was composed in the auspicious Naata Raga by Sri Tyagaraja to praise Lord Rama, the posseser of all the noble qualities. The Raga Lakshana was effectively used by Sri Tyagarjha . Now, does it really makes much of a sense to use such an auspicious raga to praise the mundane earthly love that happens between a man and a woman , that too with lyrics like

"vaan mazhayil nanainthal payirgal uruvaagum
aan mazhayil nanainthal uyirgal uruvaagum"

By the way, "jagadhanandha karaka" is way too far beautiful when compared to this song.

Anyways, Is the usage of the divinely ragas in films for such purposes justifiable?

The saptha swaras are said to be of divine origin and Carnatic music is best used for the same purpose.I also am saddened by the increasing no of artists (don't want to mention their names as if no one knows:) that have great voices using their skills in the film industry just for the sake of money and for establishing names. Is this what the great singers and composers of the elder days did?? In fact, one of the Trimurthys' of Carnatic Music, Shri Muthuswami Dikshithar , never wanted to sing in praise of the kings. The same is the case with Shri Tyagarajha. I feel that when one has the saptha swaras dancing in his/her tongue (thru saraswathi Kataaksham) , he has got one of the greatest gifts in this kali yuga to reach the abode of god. Let him sing in praise of the infinitely noble qualities of the lord with devotion and refrain to make use of that talent for other purposes that are merely likened by the listener as pleasure simulators. Let it simulate Bhakthi both in the singer and the listener..If a young child gets to hear a Purandaradasa Krithi or a Tyagaraja krithi, would he/she ever like other forms of music??? I doubt.

Also , when the singer attempts to sing the song , he gets to know its meaning and it will definitely leave a negative impression in his/ her mind adding more to the effects caused by maaya. This will definitely have at least a slightest bit of impact on the singer when he actually renders a carnatic krithi and that's exaclty why I find most of the young carnatic musicians lacking the Shradha and the Bhaava that is required barrring a very few.

Thats' the enchilada.. Hoping 2 get at least a few opposing comments..:)

Note : Please dont miss to check out the songs that I post on the "Get tuned to Divine music" section

Comments on "Divine Music 4 Mundane Love : How Pathetic?"


Blogger Anand Ramamoorthy said ... (12:04 AM) : 


MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY! I have given up watching movies as I feel they are an impediment to developing the concentration needed for Bhakti. I listen only to those divine compositions of the legendary composers likr Dkshithar, Annamacharya, Purandara Dasa, Narayana Tirtha et al.

hope more people turn their attention to carnatic music as a result of reading this post.


Blogger kavitha said ... (4:29 AM) : 

Well, its not just classical music or performing arts. Yesterday i saw a whole dance sequence of one of the "kuuthu paatu" being performed against the backdrop of Mahabalipuram's panchapandava ratha.

it hurt, and hurt real bad that people do not respect the monuments anymore, it was pathetic to see surya jump over nandi as he came forward to join the others in dance.

thats the state of our country. we need to respect these monuments which are religious in nature and preserve them as we do not have the expertise to build them again.

so much for national heritage and so much for ASI the protectors of these monuments


Blogger Arjuna_Speaks said ... (5:56 AM) : 

Krishna - I see this from a different angle..The likes of Thyagarajar and Ditchithar were saints..they renounced everything for the sake of God..So for them money was never an issue..moreover during those days - the temples would feed these money was never an issue..

But at present, if you dont have a job - u end up in the streets..So one has a talent to sing - y not use that to earn money - its their job - and they are doing it properly..They are doing their dharma properly..If they go and sit in the temples and sing - imagine what would happen to their families!

I dont see anything wrong at all..


Blogger Kasthuri Srinivasan said ... (9:46 AM) : 

You reflected on my sentiments too. For a long time I was wondering why some artists with very beautiful voice waste their energy to going into mundane planes. For that matter, I think M.S (I don't know much about D.K) was par excellent by just sticking on to bakthi. I don't know of a single good artist who refrains from singing cine songs. If at all there was someone, I am not sure how long they can hold on to it, given that good singers like Nityasree, Unni etc. have given yield to the maya of Indian film industry.


Blogger krishna said ... (4:39 PM) : 


very can only hope 4 some kind of religous upbringing..let the movies add real value ..

@ kavitha

Yeah..cultural adulterations of the derogatory type can never be tolerated, be it any kind.. u tour often???:)


They were great saints indeed...only those souls that have got lots of nice karma balance in their accounts will get 2 be born 4 the divine purpose..

But, wat about the carnatic musicians today??? Arent they making enuf money to sustain themselves and their families by performing in kutcheris?? Wat is the need 4 the additional greed 4 money and fame??Arent they taking the whole purpose of carnatic music and their skills for granted??

Also , it is very difficult for a family man/woman to be so devout. He/she is bound to get attached and 4 bhatki u need detachment to everything but god..


Well said..One can easily feel the devotion in air when MSS renders any krithi/ bhajan or watever..DKP for sure lacks the devotion that MSS had tho some might say she's technically strong..

MMI is another person known for his simplicity (along with it one can also sense the devotion ) ..When he starts rendering a raga, one can actually sense all the beautiful qualities of the raga within the first few seconds..His mohanam, kamboji, shanmugapriya ,bhairavi .....are simply unparallel..

Out of the current generation, I think T.M krishna is doing a real good job but even he seems to have positive opinions about moving into the film industry..


Blogger jcjoshi said ... (6:16 AM) : 

I Beg excuse for the long worded background.

Perhaps only ‘Hindus’ by thought, and not just by birth, can realize the communication in the mythological stories, which originally belong to the period much before the 6th century BC. History tells us that the Vedic Era (VE) had come to an end then…

The fables of ‘Panchatantra’ could help in entering the minds of the ancients. Pandit Vishnu Sharma reportedly narrated these stories to the dullard sons of a king in order to get them acquainted with the serious, and therefore boring, art of Political Administration through simple and interesting stories in the shortest possible time – like a crash course today (as boring as the original perhaps)…

Even today, written words tend to be misinterpreted by an average man because thoughts in one’s head cannot be accurately communicated to others - in any human language at least. And, one knows that the entire animal world is communicating, each to the life of a its own kind, since time immemorial. A Hindi speaking man cannot make head or tail of some communication, in say Tamil. And even an ‘expert’, in say English literature, perhaps cannot understand even the beginner’s book on a subject in ‘Science’ although he may be able to read it completely…

With the aforesaid in mind, one could perhaps now attempt reinterpretation of the ‘Hindu’ mythological stories, particularly with the accepted background that practice of Astrology and Palmistry since ages point to achievement of advanced knowledge in Astronomy in the VE. One could appreciate from the present day advancement in the field of Science how development in any field takes place step-by-step needing centuries for advancement in overall knowledge. And, not only that, multiplication takes place in the number of fields of study such that even each subject leads to many other branches with passage of time – a phenomenon similar to the variety ‘naturally’ seen in ‘plant life’ in a forest! Realization that the microcosm and the macrocosm function similarly in ‘Nature’ makes it easier to make generalizations or draw essence from the apparent chaos due to infinity. With the aforesaid, one could perhaps now appreciate the communication in the ancient saying, “Satyameva Jayate”, or “Satyam Shivam Sunderam” etc. once one learns that the void in the dark or black (Krishna) universal space is about 85% and that our planet earth is the most beautiful Heavenly Body so far known to exist in our galaxy, or outside it even, and so on…

The ancient Hindus or Yogis through direct communication with the source of Creation appear to have acquired ‘supreme knowledge’ about material life being ‘Maya’ or illusion, and therefore need to ‘read between the line’, and see the ‘light’ within the false exterior of the physical form… They had realized that efficiency of the physical human form, like any other matter, except those that are preserved, would naturally decline from 100% to 0% in steps over different Yugas while the indestructible soul passes on from one body to another through one Yuga to another… Thus ideally man is supposed to remain unmoved under all circumstances like an ideal spectator of a drama who doesn’t cry when an actor on the stage/ screen, say is being maltreated by the mother-in-law! When it reaches its end, a star reaches a ‘Red Giant’ stage – perhaps thus accumulation of money by artists today - who are ideally supposed to remain detached from the material world like in the past - is a reflection of this phenomenon. After all, the ancients had reached the conclusion that man is a model of the universe!


Blogger krishna said ... (10:23 PM) : 


That was a wonderful explanation.

As u said

"Thus ideally man is supposed to remain unmoved under all circumstances like an ideal spectator of a drama who doesn’t cry when an actor on the stage/ screen, say is being maltreated by the mother-in-law!"

I clearly understand that we are not the actual controllers of wat is happenign around us..everthing will happen (as they have already happened ) as they are destined to.

I also understand that I and most of the other folks that arent noble enough 2 point out the mistakes shuldnt actually do ..rather we shuld stay muted ideally..corrections 2 the society are best done when done by such noble persons . Also , they are more effective..but mine and most others are opinions that are actually intended to keep the noble truths passed down to us by the great past in trend.

Also, my intentions are based on the Law of karma.. Am just trying to act noble without actually expecting the results ..:)

One request..Y dont u start writing a blog ??Am sure it'll be of great use to the reader..


Blogger jcjoshi said ... (10:26 AM) : 

My idea was only to give you, as a seeker or jignasu, the background of the ‘Hindu Philosophy’ or the so-called ‘Truth’ as under stood by the ancients, as I came to believe it based on whatever exposure I have received during ‘my life’ and as recapitulated by me after over fourty years of age… Of course, as per the mythology age is no bar for 'madness' of this kind!

'Faults’ in humans are expected, the maximum in Kaliyuga, however, it was also understood that each ‘naturally’ feels he is right and all others are wrong – perhaps as part of the design! In the Gita, this is explained by Krishna saying, to the effect, that everyone sees Him within himself, because of ‘Maya’, whereas He doesn’t reside in anyone. In fact, the whole creation resides within Him! The same idea is expressed in stories meant for children also – that Mother Yashoda saw the universe within child Krishna’s mouth!

Such observations have inspired me to dive deeper into the subject. I am still learning – basically wanting to know His purpose...

Please feel free to express and enjoy yourself! The basic Hindu idea is to enjoy and seek eternal bliss within oneself while advancing one's knowledge (Krishna understood as the Supreme Knowledge and eternal bliss too)…


Blogger krishna said ... (1:12 PM) : 

joshi ji

With the IShwara kattaksha, I will continue seeking the TRUTH .As i say in blog description "these are just thots arising from
a Jignasu"..:)


Blogger Swahilya said ... (12:07 AM) : 

Krishna You are right and I understand your angst. But Music is Divine Energy that can be and will continue to be put to any use from the sublime to the ridiculous - just as the same water is used to cook rice, make sambar or rasam, or cake or chicken kurma. If we just look deep into the two lines you have quoted from the song without analysis of whether they are good or bad, you will see the Truth of the cosmos there. Just have to relax for everything happens in God's World!


Blogger krishna said ... (6:07 PM) : 

"just as the same water is used to cook rice, make sambar or rasam, or cake or chicken kurma"

Excellent analogy..

Thanks 4 ur input..


Blogger Saravana Kumar said ... (10:29 AM) : 

I go with you .. no objections. These people are senseless, responseless, have interest only in their selfish carnal interests, full of hypocrisy, these people are good only towards the destruction of the world.

These people who disturb the equilibrium of dharma go into the deepest hell


Blogger krishna said ... (8:56 PM) : 


Yeah...definitely those people are in the ignorant mode. Until they try to remove the veil ,they have to go thru the multitudinous fake qualities of maaya..


Blogger hanumant said ... (9:02 PM) : 

Wonderful blog & good post.Its really helpful for me, awaiting for more new post. Keep Blogging!

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